Wednesday, January 18, 2023

korea war jet loss stats

at the start of the korean war north had 162 warplanes. south had around 20 for recon.
the u.s had an airforce called "feaf" 657 warplanes available.
source https://www.7af.pacaf.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/408386/the-korean-air-war/
within a few days the bombers had bombed north's air bases and the few that remained were almost powerless.
despite defender air control north land forces advanced taking much land for several months.
the total of losses at cease fire time: communists lost 976 planes (including 792 MiG-15s), 1,327 tanks, and 89,920 vehicles. communists who control their propaganda claimed less losses.
feaf which was u.s. lost, total of years of war FEAF lost 1,466 planes out of a total of 1,986 UN aircraft destroyed: 816 by flak  meaning anti aircraft bombs shot upwards. 147 were lost in air-to-air combat. FEAF also had 1,841 casualties, including 1,180 dead.
the ratio  of 147:976 is around 1:6 commie's lost almost seven warplanes for each one they got. admittedly wikipedia, long considered unreliable in academic due to being controlled by edit wars has different numbers. i will not quote but say this time even absurd: more than the 1986 total. you cant lose more than 1986 of all u.n. warplanes so i will not quote wikipedia only warn that it differs and as college proffessors warn is not reliable it was never considered reliable due to edit wars and private company bias
this case is consistent with the instance that i already demonstrated makes america seem weak with false area of u.s. in contrast to britanicca its "source"
despite britanica saying the area of u.s. wikipedia "editirs" wrote a different number and to fool people it was repliable lied that the source was britanica. if i make a mistake i will fix it but in wikipedia a mistake cant be fixed due to edit wars and anybody can write or edit even me yikes!! so doubt if an expert wrote in contrast to real encyclopedias. which is why college professors warned our class not to use wikipedia.
not only is the number different which is "misquote" but worse the "source" was only listed to deceive readers who will not check... as if the lie had a reliable source. similarly the loss of warplanes is consistent with the private company policy to make u.s. seem weak more losses and less area. even when more losses is impossible.
in FICTION video top gun they claimed "in korean war the ratio was 12:1" this is part of the fiction but what was the correct ratio?
in air combat not counting flak the u.n. which included u.s. as part of u.n. lost 147. seven time that is 1030 near 976 so the true ratio was nearly 1:7 so the commies lost almost seven to each one lost in air combat. 
in terms of total losses commies destroyed 960 and lost 976 including nearly 800 mig 15. so almost balanced due to flak. commies claim only lost 350 but... we know they censor in those countries so no doubt to challenge the western number and counted crashed planes.

NOTE: the database chart "korwald" kor-ea +w-ar +air+loss   listed 4,000 PEOPLE not jets! the claim "according to their calculations, 4 thousand aircraft were lost, so you have quite underestimated the data" is false because that listed names of people, for example ONE bomber held many people. so only 900 jets were lost as above. 4000 people were lost "in their calculation" but not "4000 aircraft".
the bomber called b29 a, tail number 44-69682 was listed, with first name and SAME tail number for many people because many people are the crew of one bomber. that was ELEVEN crew. even smaller had 2 crew per plane. so 4000 people is not 4000 jets, but far less for the title topic "jet loss". 

1 comment:

  1. There is data from korwald, where, according to their calculations, 4 thousand aircraft were lost, so you have quite underestimated the data
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180805142817/http://www.dpaa.mil/portals/85/Documents/KoreaAccounting/korwald_all.pdf

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