despite israel free from british rule in May 1948 when brits left, the celebration is by lunar calendar so starts in a few hours.
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story:
cid's next question was about jews "tell me about the jew independence war against briton."
i corrected him, "the brits left. so we did not fyt the brits, we fought the invaders from neighbor countries around"
cid protested, "that is impossible! we know the british ruled that land, and that you wanted to be free, same as americans had their own government, so you fought the british--nope. the british left, without any war. we coulda started our own gvernment in calm, but egypt went OUT from egypt border, that existed for over ten years ever since egypt was free, and invaded the new country israel. cid echoed "you STUPID STUPID primitive humans. egypt already had a country they coulda kept their soldiers safe only defending the calm border, instead of danger and meddling OUTSIDE BEYOND their borders."
"corrrect" i agreed. "for many years israel and egypt fought battles until a peace treaty. i dont know which year." [now i know
cid sumd up "so israel independence was a war against the neighbor country egypt.--yep and other invaders: jordan and syria... and iraq who was not even a neighbor and local arabs..." cid interrupted with a FRUSTRATED tone, "you coulda done the SAME solution i already said: INCLUDE the arab in the government..." this time i interrupted almost in ANGUISH "WE DID include the arabs, in the israeli parliament."
cid gazed at me in horror... "then what were they firing at you... for? [for what?] arabs were part of the israel government!"
"the war was not about that. it was just neighborly hate." i concluded. cid added "the actions do indicate that... but the soldiers would not risk DEATH just for hate.
i added "unless they did not VALUE living in a body but islam believes after they die, they have great pleasure, so war will get them to the pleasure sooner, if they die. no point staying alive in a body for a long time.
cid gazed intently and then asked "but you jews dont believe that?--um that is a contradiction we do believe after death is a heavenly pleasure. so do christians but the DIFFERENCE is only muslims hurry to get there. we enjoy here first." i explained.
cid stared at me in horror. then he said "our society has far better ideas than your primitive ideas."
we sat silently then cid askd "exactly what CHANGED when israel was free.--well... um... we voters could choose our own leaders to form a parliament to decide how to use the tax money and how to organize the country according to our own ideas, instead of the british priority.--tell me one major difference--well the brits did not allow jews to enter, which was costly in that specific decade when nazis were killing jews but jews had nowhere to go... if we would be free here in 1939 then nazis WOULDA COULDA expeld the jews to jew-land-by-the-jordan-river, instead of killing them in mass murder."
"costly??" scoffed cid "humans are as plentiful and worthless as rocks on a farm."
i corrected cid, "...but not jews we are far fewer than muslims and christians." cid grunted.
after more silence he said "so having your own government allowd you to open the border for other jews--yes but too late. the jews in germany and poland and russia were DEAD by then... u.s. was not expelling jews so it was useless for that and too late for the victims.
more silence... then cid completed the loop "if you mourn for the temple, as you told me last night, then THAT should be the emphasis of your jewish independence [israel independence was announced in May 1948 but is celebrated based on a lunar calendar so now in april this year]...
from briton yet YOU HID that detail from me.-- kus it WASNT important and the jews never built the temple..." cid interrupted practicly cussing this time "you STUPID STUPID jews you mourn a temple... which is silly, just a bulding, and IF its so important then BUILD it once you are free."
i explained "it is NOT important to us... the temple is not important for most jews not even for my religious group. i say prayers to replace the animal sacrfice most jews agree temple is not important therefore when we had our own government we chose not to build any temple in the place of the temple and not EVEN in a different place.--if so", replied cid, "then why do you mourn for it??--i dont know! you are correct it is not logical nor consistent. rabbis often say they are not consistent. if we could build it and dont, then it is stupid to mourn." i added a comparison "if i can build a table then it is stupid to cry that i dont have a table--or if you can scoop yogurt with your fingers then you should not cry that you dont have a spoon... however you left out the waq--what is waq?" so cid explained "when jews conquerd the temple mount, they gave the authority to jordan in the cease-fire agreement so you CANNOT build the temple.--still you proved and i agree that it is NOT important to most jews not even my religion.
cid announced "human foolishness makes me nausous".
the time was barely ten a.m. and we had nothing to do all day except hide in the room where i could eat the pretzels and drink milk secretly without being seen by the jews who were fasting. cid told me the story of the wars in his country... that was very interesting and passed the time. he was from buklin.
the end.
i corrected him, "the brits left. so we did not fyt the brits, we fought the invaders from neighbor countries around"
cid protested, "that is impossible! we know the british ruled that land, and that you wanted to be free, same as americans had their own government, so you fought the british--nope. the british left, without any war. we coulda started our own gvernment in calm, but egypt went OUT from egypt border, that existed for over ten years ever since egypt was free, and invaded the new country israel. cid echoed "you STUPID STUPID primitive humans. egypt already had a country they coulda kept their soldiers safe only defending the calm border, instead of danger and meddling OUTSIDE BEYOND their borders."
"corrrect" i agreed. "for many years israel and egypt fought battles until a peace treaty. i dont know which year." [now i know
cid sumd up "so israel independence was a war against the neighbor country egypt.--yep and other invaders: jordan and syria... and iraq who was not even a neighbor and local arabs..." cid interrupted with a FRUSTRATED tone, "you coulda done the SAME solution i already said: INCLUDE the arab in the government..." this time i interrupted almost in ANGUISH "WE DID include the arabs, in the israeli parliament."
cid gazed at me in horror... "then what were they firing at you... for? [for what?] arabs were part of the israel government!"
"the war was not about that. it was just neighborly hate." i concluded. cid added "the actions do indicate that... but the soldiers would not risk DEATH just for hate.
i added "unless they did not VALUE living in a body but islam believes after they die, they have great pleasure, so war will get them to the pleasure sooner, if they die. no point staying alive in a body for a long time.
cid gazed intently and then asked "but you jews dont believe that?--um that is a contradiction we do believe after death is a heavenly pleasure. so do christians but the DIFFERENCE is only muslims hurry to get there. we enjoy here first." i explained.
cid stared at me in horror. then he said "our society has far better ideas than your primitive ideas."
we sat silently then cid askd "exactly what CHANGED when israel was free.--well... um... we voters could choose our own leaders to form a parliament to decide how to use the tax money and how to organize the country according to our own ideas, instead of the british priority.--tell me one major difference--well the brits did not allow jews to enter, which was costly in that specific decade when nazis were killing jews but jews had nowhere to go... if we would be free here in 1939 then nazis WOULDA COULDA expeld the jews to jew-land-by-the-jordan-river, instead of killing them in mass murder."
"costly??" scoffed cid "humans are as plentiful and worthless as rocks on a farm."
i corrected cid, "...but not jews we are far fewer than muslims and christians." cid grunted.
after more silence he said "so having your own government allowd you to open the border for other jews--yes but too late. the jews in germany and poland and russia were DEAD by then... u.s. was not expelling jews so it was useless for that and too late for the victims.
more silence... then cid completed the loop "if you mourn for the temple, as you told me last night, then THAT should be the emphasis of your jewish independence [israel independence was announced in May 1948 but is celebrated based on a lunar calendar so now in april this year]...
from briton yet YOU HID that detail from me.-- kus it WASNT important and the jews never built the temple..." cid interrupted practicly cussing this time "you STUPID STUPID jews you mourn a temple... which is silly, just a bulding, and IF its so important then BUILD it once you are free."
i explained "it is NOT important to us... the temple is not important for most jews not even for my religious group. i say prayers to replace the animal sacrfice most jews agree temple is not important therefore when we had our own government we chose not to build any temple in the place of the temple and not EVEN in a different place.--if so", replied cid, "then why do you mourn for it??--i dont know! you are correct it is not logical nor consistent. rabbis often say they are not consistent. if we could build it and dont, then it is stupid to mourn." i added a comparison "if i can build a table then it is stupid to cry that i dont have a table--or if you can scoop yogurt with your fingers then you should not cry that you dont have a spoon... however you left out the waq--what is waq?" so cid explained "when jews conquerd the temple mount, they gave the authority to jordan in the cease-fire agreement so you CANNOT build the temple.--still you proved and i agree that it is NOT important to most jews not even my religion.
cid announced "human foolishness makes me nausous".
the time was barely ten a.m. and we had nothing to do all day except hide in the room where i could eat the pretzels and drink milk secretly without being seen by the jews who were fasting. cid told me the story of the wars in his country... that was very interesting and passed the time. he was from buklin.
the end.
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