for just a brief moment, lets assume as a mere assumption god exists then which commander? was it the god who commanded to fast from eating during ramadan or the commander too fast on day atonement? or the commander that we should kill horses but not cows as sacrifices to the gods... as demonstrated in vedas.
claiming a creator does not point to any religion. each claaims "creation proves OUR creator commander" ignoring the gap.
simple people defined god based on the mystery.
they saw the sun move... that is the appearance... so they had a mystery who pushed the sun?? that proves god... for simple people.
claiming a creator does not point to any religion. each claaims "creation proves OUR creator commander" ignoring the gap.
simple people defined god based on the mystery.
they saw the sun move... that is the appearance... so they had a mystery who pushed the sun?? that proves god... for simple people.
simple people defined god... but later... and now religious people have been forced to change their definition to "whichever" mystery. they pretend we do not notice the change...
they saw a rock... that they stood on the surface and had a mystery who made the rock? that proved for them god created... the fact that a rock does not DIE and could exist infinitely was not relevant to them.
when modern science claims "matter or mass equals energy" and claims that matter can be generated from the movement of photons... that have zero mass... that solves the mystery of matter... so they change the definition of god... whichever mystery... yet that is TOO LATE they already defined god as the "one who made matter the heavens and the earth" which can be generated by human non-gods so that annuls the proof of god and they already defined god as the creator of the matter: heavens and earth. changing only admits that they WERE wrong.
even if the fairies ALSO created light... that was not the definition.
so when they ask "who created the energy" they are only ADMITTING CONFESSING that their previous definition was wrong and they look for a new mystery which does not prove either way until the mystery gets SOLVED. religious simply point at the next mystery and the same as we found that MATTER does not necesitate god... same for any mystery. so you atheists need to point that out and free the religious people who will not read this.
as we started even if we assume just for a moment that a creator god existed still the commands differ so "which commander" was the creator. if it is the commander who commanded ramadan then no need for sacrificing horses nor blood... or the other commander. which "desire"... was the creator the one who WANTED people to fast on day atonement or month ramadan??
now that the moment passed and we "ended the time to assume a creator" we mention the possibility of a creator who did not command... anything?
if the creator was a group of magical fairies we would still see the result of a created earth and sun and stars in heaven.
if the rocks in the universe "always existed" then the "creation never happened". science claims they did not but a possibility rocks always existed.
they saw a rock... that they stood on the surface and had a mystery who made the rock? that proved for them god created... the fact that a rock does not DIE and could exist infinitely was not relevant to them.
when modern science claims "matter or mass equals energy" and claims that matter can be generated from the movement of photons... that have zero mass... that solves the mystery of matter... so they change the definition of god... whichever mystery... yet that is TOO LATE they already defined god as the "one who made matter the heavens and the earth" which can be generated by human non-gods so that annuls the proof of god and they already defined god as the creator of the matter: heavens and earth. changing only admits that they WERE wrong.
even if the fairies ALSO created light... that was not the definition.
so when they ask "who created the energy" they are only ADMITTING CONFESSING that their previous definition was wrong and they look for a new mystery which does not prove either way until the mystery gets SOLVED. religious simply point at the next mystery and the same as we found that MATTER does not necesitate god... same for any mystery. so you atheists need to point that out and free the religious people who will not read this.
as we started even if we assume just for a moment that a creator god existed still the commands differ so "which commander" was the creator. if it is the commander who commanded ramadan then no need for sacrificing horses nor blood... or the other commander. which "desire"... was the creator the one who WANTED people to fast on day atonement or month ramadan??
now that the moment passed and we "ended the time to assume a creator" we mention the possibility of a creator who did not command... anything?
if the creator was a group of magical fairies we would still see the result of a created earth and sun and stars in heaven.
if the rocks in the universe "always existed" then the "creation never happened". science claims they did not but a possibility rocks always existed.
when we ask "who moved the sun" around the earth as a proof... the religions are FORCED to change.
if the surface SPINS then we are only sometimes facing the sun and the sun never "got pushed" by god then the religious CHANGE the claim to a different mystery... "who started the spinning" that SERVES TO ADMIT and confess they were wrong. would god know if we spun or the sun orbited... who orbited who... the religious need to invent an excuse why god hid that detail and fooled them...
when a book claims god made stuff how would we test if the contents are true?
we could only test other sections of the book and if we find an error as i have found, then we can warn people to beware of the misleading wrong books called genesis and exodus and more which contain misleading "numbers and information" that we know is wrong... and a god would know was wrong if god were the author... so such books as genesis serve to prove that god was NOT the author... and when we exclude those bad books then we have no source that god existed. only humans who claim to have messages from god. but how would we test the contents of such books? if we cannot test, then their claims are baseless.
deuteronomy said a manner to test a prophet and most biblical prophets FAIL the biblical test moses faild predicting "zira" hornets yet the story tells of battles if true then no zira. a religion that wanted to cover for moses would EITHER CLAIM zira came and no battles or edit the prediction luckily they dont edit the prediction nor erase the battles so we know the bible is false and fr from god.
****the book itself undermines itself.
maybe jeremia and isaia spoke of the future accurately... but those are not the "aquina proofs" which do not point at any religion... specificly do not point at any of the claimed "commander"-s. after we cannot reach a conclusion which commander we can use the books as conflicting witnesses and reject each one. but the conflicting ones agree about the first books of moses... which as above undermine themselves... it seems he wanted one group to fast a different time than the other group.... but we can use the deuteronomy test to test them and after moses fails then quran that points to mses falls with it.
so if we believe in god it is not due to the necessity of a cause that cause may have commanded or not and which commander?
and if existed could send a message to which ever groups were "wrong" yet god acts as if he does not exist that seems to be the strongest evidence that he doesnot exist... except he did send me to tell you a message but not about the future...
god told me to tell you that he never commanded "animal offerings" nor any ceremonies, neither in the veda nor the jewish bible leviticus nor quran. all of those books claiming to be from god are specificly "out" excluded. knowing those books are false measn we need to define as a group of humans which practices are important.
if a shop needs to be organized then in the shop orginizing is important and the workers will do that 'ceremony"... however books as above are not from god... even if god was teh creator... while we cannot reach the conclusion that any "religion's" god was that creator as above and the possibility of a team of magical fairies is possible. except he told me a message that he exists and excludes all such books as above.
when a book claims god made stuff how would we test if the contents are true?
we could only test other sections of the book and if we find an error as i have found, then we can warn people to beware of the misleading wrong books called genesis and exodus and more which contain misleading "numbers and information" that we know is wrong... and a god would know was wrong if god were the author... so such books as genesis serve to prove that god was NOT the author... and when we exclude those bad books then we have no source that god existed. only humans who claim to have messages from god. but how would we test the contents of such books? if we cannot test, then their claims are baseless.
deuteronomy said a manner to test a prophet and most biblical prophets FAIL the biblical test moses faild predicting "zira" hornets yet the story tells of battles if true then no zira. a religion that wanted to cover for moses would EITHER CLAIM zira came and no battles or edit the prediction luckily they dont edit the prediction nor erase the battles so we know the bible is false and fr from god.
****the book itself undermines itself.
maybe jeremia and isaia spoke of the future accurately... but those are not the "aquina proofs" which do not point at any religion... specificly do not point at any of the claimed "commander"-s. after we cannot reach a conclusion which commander we can use the books as conflicting witnesses and reject each one. but the conflicting ones agree about the first books of moses... which as above undermine themselves... it seems he wanted one group to fast a different time than the other group.... but we can use the deuteronomy test to test them and after moses fails then quran that points to mses falls with it.
so if we believe in god it is not due to the necessity of a cause that cause may have commanded or not and which commander?
and if existed could send a message to which ever groups were "wrong" yet god acts as if he does not exist that seems to be the strongest evidence that he doesnot exist... except he did send me to tell you a message but not about the future...
god told me to tell you that he never commanded "animal offerings" nor any ceremonies, neither in the veda nor the jewish bible leviticus nor quran. all of those books claiming to be from god are specificly "out" excluded. knowing those books are false measn we need to define as a group of humans which practices are important.
if a shop needs to be organized then in the shop orginizing is important and the workers will do that 'ceremony"... however books as above are not from god... even if god was teh creator... while we cannot reach the conclusion that any "religion's" god was that creator as above and the possibility of a team of magical fairies is possible. except he told me a message that he exists and excludes all such books as above.
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***THE BOTTOM LINE the bottom line:
***THE BOTTOM LINE the bottom line:
the challenge is not toward atheism but a challenge for atheists to point out these ideas and save the slaves of religion from ceremonies.
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