we can find the new testament say jesus was "before" stuff and if so alpha just means previous but was jesus "infinitely past"?
according to christology a principle is to believe that jesus was "eternal past" the words the text-book of christology used is "eternal past" and this creates a prejudice to interpret the bible differently from what appears and claim ideas which the book never said.
when we compare the relevant verses prejudiced people will say they do not see a problem but can you? i only address people who are sincere about truth not those who believe in "biblical truth" which is different.
consider the following claim does it match the verse quoted?
"Christ "is before all things" (Col. 1:17) which necessarily imply He was "with the Father" (I John 1:1-2) throughout all eternity past." necesarily imply? wtf! do you think it means before god? if so god was not alpha. was he before some? no before all so even before father? ah all things... if so "before is a relative term" if something was created on sunday then before is unclear how long before one day before?
we can group the "sources of christology" into several clear categories and ignore anything that said "before" because being before abraham just means he is not only human and the topic is different not "was jesus human" bnut a different question was jesus "eternal past".
in addition to the prejudice mentioned that jesus was "eternal past" there is also christian doctrine "jesus was begotten" the word used for people born noah begat shem ham and hefeth.
luckily that is not in the bible because how can a sane be expected to believe BOTH he was born at a starting point and also "eternal past" wow a "church mystery".
the topic is not "eternal future" so those verses will not be listed here except a few contradictory ones.
eternal future has i in john. +i , +2 in hebrews "forever" consider 3 quotes from psalms using a hebrew word which does not mean "forever" but a whole lifetime scratch those 3 plus psalms from the list.
why would they list "until the end of the age" mat 28, the word until limits! and age also limits.
EXCITING hebrews 7.16 jesus has an "indestructible life" so does that mean only the body of jesus died or the spiritual essence of jesus also died on the cross? if it is indestructible then jesus did not die... uh oh! i bet if i would quote this verse on a christian discusion page they would delete the post and ban me from the group so i would not publish such misleading sources... so i can only write evidence in my blog. this deserves its own post later.
another future not this topic of eternal past.
exciting hebrew 7.3 without father, hmm, what did jesus cal god? not father? and in that verse jesus was "made" that is a starting point if we base and establish faith on the book then jesus was "made" and had a starting point that is not "eternal past".
if we assume the prejudice of "eternal past" then we must expel the heresy of hebrews from the group of books called canon. the book of hebrews and its author were heretics who denied the omnipresence of christ.
revelation 1.17 first just means before created stuff never said "was eternally"
another proble the word "from" wadya mean "from the beginning? not before the beginning of life?
having reviewed the "twenty" best evidence of eternal all are either the idea of "before" or future etrnal and not even one said eternal past which would conflict jesus "was made" in hebrews 7.3
similarly of proverbs 8.24 if that refers to christ then he was one of the "creations" not eternal past. quote "When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills, I was brought forth
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the hebrew word is for "birth" if that refers to jesus he was born "before" mountains and also "born" with a starting point "not eternal past".
luckily verse 12 said the context is wisdom not christ and the websites who quote proverbs 8 for a source of eternity are revealed as double liars.
before abraham? how long before? one day? so was abrahams dfleshy father.
from the "beginning" of what of life?
fromall 8 verses the guy brings o support his claim "all the days of eternity past" not even one said that idea they speak of before... how long before? not long if he was BORN.
now we proceed to the idea of eternal future that has verses including the problematic one indestructiblelife if so jesus diod not die and if he did not die then did not "rise from DEAD".
how can anybody expect their child to believe both? easier to not to point out the texts hopefully they will not read and if they read they will read TOO FAST TO EVER/N NOTICE.
consider hebrews 7 "having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made" how can you expect somebody to believe both? luckily hebrews does not fit the pattern of apostolic pauline letters so we canreject it. but those christians who do not reject it how can they expect people to believe both? not the sane people at least sane people will flee from christianity's books.
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