pre-israelite, a summary of "antiquities" by flavius josephus

intro to pre-israelite tales: considering that the NAME of the nation is "children of israel" [many times in the bible] therefore only a brief introduction, such as God's plan "to benefit the nations through you" ought to delay the first story of the "children" of israel. it is antq. b1,21 about dina,  which preserves the original story which differs from genesis 34. when jospehus relies on a religious text it is no better however when he differs from genesis as here and other details that indicates his research and historical authority for the story. later b2,2 josp dreams.

**for the purpose of reaching the activities of "children of israel", a brif background is better, instead of delaying their events with many other storys. insted of thousands of words that are not the events of the nation, which delay the events of dina and josep, we must find *the bit that INTRODUCES the nation, and provide only a brif background. we must not blame the victim of rape.

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introduction to segment "isac": from isac's wedding, which led to the birth of israel and his children, until the israelite family came to shechem.

isac, summary of antq. 1,16+17+18, and part two: "israel's family" summary of antq' 1,19+20, introducing the story of dina in b1,21.

PART ONE, summary of antq. 1,16+17+18,   Abraham sent his messenger to bring a wife for isac, his son. m' traveld to the city of a.'s relative and the only lady that "agreed to give him" water was ribka. She was from a's brother's family. He explained his purpose, to bring her as a wife and gave her bracelets [g24]. They told her family and she came and wed isac. After this abraham died. his sons buried him with his wife [g25]  in Ebron.

Isaac inquird God who answered, "your wife Rbka will birth twins. he who is born second will excel the elder." She birthd Esau and Israel [1 chron 1]. Later, isac wished good on israel [g27] which matched the sale.  esau had returnd home from hunting. israel was cooking [g25, a,b2,1] lentil stew in red sauce. esau askd to eat some of the red stew. Israel offerd to exchange his product for esua's birthright. Esau agreed. israel insisted that esau vow. Esau swore an oath selling his birthright to israel with a vow. They exchanged.  israel gave Esau bread and a portion of lentil stew. they ate and drank.  esau stood up and left. [without complaint see below.]

NOTE: this story around 200 words,  summarizes 2500 words in antq. which differs from genesis. the lengthy story not only delays the story of the activitys of the children of israel, but worse, considering the name of the title he chose is jews, yet abraham's sons were not included in this nation, indicating the nation had not yet begun with abraham nor his sons, the delay is not about the jews and such lengthy storys NOT about that nation are delaying the storys which ARE about the activitys of the children of israel such as dina and josep. 

genesis has an even worse delay, not only differing from the original story of the ancient jews, but worse its lengthiness 2400+2100=4500 words, in these chapters, which delays the story of the activitys of the "children of israel" such as dina and josep. despite the fact that this same scroll repeatedly wrote the name of the nation "children of israel" and therefore delaying THEIR story, more than a brief introduction is bad and wrong. we see the severity of the lengthiness 2400 words by comparison.+     many details in antq' are NOT the events of the children of israel and DELAY the story of dina who IS the children of israel. Genesis delays it even worse, with more, 2100 words as above,  that do not even introduce the nation "children of israel". josepus slightly differs from genesis see intro. for example g26 isac dug wells, delays with a story that does not even introduce the nation.

the SALE leads to the nation and the absence is hard to notice that esau was "tired" the use in judges 4,21, yet if he thirsted he had "drink" without stew. if esau hungerd he ate bread without stew but he asked for stew. afterward he did not complain: "i was forced compelled by thirst, i felt like i was dying."

PART TWO

**summary of josephus 1,19-20 before dina so brif.

j1,19: Israel went [from home] to rbk's brother, Lbn, in Mesopotamia, to wed his cousin, but wed two of laban's  daughters, lea and rel. lea birthed rbn [g29] first, then 3 more sons. the 2 maids of the wives birthed four more of israel's sons.

Rbn, israel's first-born son, brought berrys from the "dda" plant to his mother Lea. 

Rel wanted to eat them, so she exchanged her "wife night" near their husband, to lea, for the berries.  israel fatherd more sons and one dauter, named dina [g30]. later, rel birthed a son, named Josep. +j1,20: when israel's family was returning [g31] home, ESAU greeted [g33] him.  

  note: this brif summary around 110 words, is better than delaying the stories of dina and  josep with many other details that are not the israellites activities and often do not even introduce the nation so only brif. insted of 4,800 words NOT the events of the "children of israel" j19=4k, j20v=780w, a brif summary is better insted of delaying the events of dina one of the "children of israel". genesis is even worse in this parallel section with hundreds more words, 5,200 words NOT about the events of the "children of israel" until dina that DELAYS the story of the "children of israel" with stories that are not such events and often do not even introduce the nation.

stats: g28=600w  jqb dream, 29+30=1.9kw  jqb met rel and lbn, names of sons and meaning

still "not sons' actions" ergo for the purpose of reaching the sons action, a brif background is better instead of delaying the sons actions. 31 jqb returnd home. 1.4k, 32=800w a man added the name israel to jqb.

500wg33

until dina g34, 500+800+1.4k+1k+900+600=5.2kw

the story of dina for moral lessons

An israelite story 

intro to dina: the children of israel were born to their father israel son of isac  [1 Chron. 1]. after one son named rbn gave his ma berrys, the family traveled to "skem" (in modern hebrew the sound "shi-hhem")  Skem was a city of the Canaanites. 

the story of dina is the first story about the activitys of these children. NOTE: the story in antq. preserves the original story, which ancient jews believed, which differs from the book genesis for example in the original story pa israel asks for time to consider and the king left. despite the importance of emphasizing the original story, due to the fact that it is the original one and due to the lack of  emphasis, still for the purpose of teaching morality and lessons i added to josepus version while summarizing. 

sometimes josepus had extra connecting words or a flawed order for example "And when he was gone thence, and was come over against Ephrata, he there buried Rachel, who died in child-bed" does not need twenty words and is bad order, which i fixd. the total is 400 words insted of 500 words, despite the fact that stories are good lengthy, and this is about the relevant family, not merely introduction, still as in the example quoted above the text warranted fixing.

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summary of antiq. b1, 21

Dina, the "only" daughter of israel son of isac, went to see women [g34] in the city Skem which was a city of the Canaanites. isac son of abraham son of tre, son of ner, son of srug, son of ro, son of pelg son of eber son of sela son of arpaksad son of sem son of noe son of lmk, son of mtusle son of enk son of jard, son of malalel, son of kenan son of enos son of seth son of adam. Shechem son of king Hamor saw Dina and felt tempted by lust for her. He sent hamor to bring dina as his wife.  king hamor came to israel, to allow their children to wed.  her pa requested time to consider about it +planning to leave. "the king returned home." her brothers returned home from shepherding sheep.  They and israel heard that a man cruelly and evilly raped +bosmat the dauter of isac's brother, who wed esau, was violently forced against her will. 

israel worried for his dauter dina, so he sent a message asking hamor how he deters this crime. king hamor said that tragicly it already occurd in his city. he had punished a criminal with a decree of heavy labor until his death and also lokd the criminal when work time ended. the king warned his son "if you defile dina, he would judge him the same as any citizen with life of labor. so shechem resisted the temptation.

this criminal band came to attack the city skem, warning surrender or else battle. *j  Smon and Levi, both born from the same ma as dina, +sent a "peace offering" to the band, many rams and cows and bulls. when the band *j feasted,  the 2 came with swords and attacked the gards. while one rescued and led their relative [bosmat] free, the other shot arrows killing the leader, and his heir who sat beside him, they battled their way out killing many of this band, to return her to her family. after losing many soldiers, and their leader, the band left the city.

the israelites traveld to bethel. then came to eprat where rel birthed her second son named benjamin [g35]. she died during the birth. They buried her there. 

they returned home to Ebron. israel's ma had died. after a short time isac died. they buried isac with his wife, there.

moon pattern

goal: to learn the moon cycle and group these cycles between a certain cycle of the sun change. total how many shiny in each sun cycle?

which sun cycle? from several natural solar cycles, each valid, the one for humans is the group in the cycle of "balances." as i will explain: when we move around the star named sun, at one extreme the north is tipd toward the sun, but at the other extreme the same tilt moves to the facing side of the sun so the south is tipd toward the sun... we know the balance must be a point between when the sun seems to move from north to south crossing the imaginary equator line between the axes of spin.

we call this natural event equinox and we can group the moon cycles between uqionoxi.

i choose five years ago since nturally hands have five fingers.

march 2016

mr23 shiny after and near start of cycle. if shiny until climax is lunar cycle then the one for lunar year was in february 2016 called first of lunar year, not like chinese two cycle before but the nearest before not after the sun cycle started.

mr22 99.2 +adds lyt, mr23 full shiny climax end lunar month and first shiny moon in cycle between equinoxi. ap22, 21+8=29 days l cycle until 21+ adding lyt til shiny.

each month has one shiny moon during this cycle 12th in fb. is the march one in this cycle?

mr 2017

shiny 11th before natural event, HAS extra shiny that cycle on both edjes.

the shiny moon that time combines several cycles. it is the climax of the lunar cycle, ending the lunar month pretty shine. it  is the SILVER moon the additional 13 moon between the edges of the equinoxi, the cycle from balance to balance as above as the lyt grows like an infant grows. it is the shiny moon both nearest to and preceding the equinox to indicate spring and start the lunar year near spring but not too late after the cycle of started and it is thirteenth between the edges when most years twelve in each cycle.

the first shiny in the cycle of spring equinoxi [and since permissible to use shrinking lyt then coincides the shrinking lyt as seen in south but majority of land north for humns as primary and lyt for humans as primary but also shrinking permitted so the shrinking of lyt as seen in the less land coincides].

this time the shiny in march is in the winter [the seaon of the north with majority of land for humans] before the cycle so we count the new cycle  19 days after the start of the cycle twelve [the names only identify the artificial months] until march 2018 of biz calendar, 11  including f' the one in march near the spring is when?

mr 2018

mr1 has shiny the twelfth is in the cycle and cycle ends total 12 same as most years.

the next cycle has a second shiny in the artificial month march but that is artificial and not a natural event.  twelfth in f' the end of f'. 

mr  2019 mr 21 double silver moon for both cycles. 11th f'  

mr 2020, climax on 9th, twelfth in cycle plus the first day. next cycle 11=f26 climax

mr 2021 in following cycle.f'=12 since the climax is before the end of the cycle march 19 has 13.  f' 12th+

mr18 , 2022 within cycle has thirteenth so that is the SILVER moon and the new lunar year both near and preceding the new cycle. 

however in the cycle from longer nyts to shorter nyts we must measure a northern city where the fluctuation is easier to notice and that NATURAL EVENT  of baalance is cald mr17 a day before the natural event of shiny moon as above mr 18 ergo is not within that cycle... but is within the following cycle... which has an additional shiny due to BOTH edjes, the additional one is in 2023, mar7. that is both the silver moon and the new lunar year due to the shiny moon both near and preceding the the new cycles as above the added lyt like birth for humans the north is majority of land for humans and lyt for humasn while the other factors a cycle of less lyt coincides with the same day for the south less land.

 

silver moon two types

 the solar cycle has two points we can use to "group" the full shiny moons.

as we end this cycle between equinoxi, i mean the natural event when the sun crosses the equator of spin, as we switch sides facing the sun,  on march 21, we see that the NEARBY cycle soon contains an additional thirteenth SILVER MOON, between the edges of the cycle i refer to the natural event on march 26 and march 18 the following year. the extra shiny moon on march 18, 2022 extra more than common cycles can be called the "silver moon."

another point in the solar cycle is the balance between shorter nyts and longer nyts. if we use a northern city where the fluctuation is more noticeable as i will explain, then this solar cycle begins on march 17, and "this cycle is common" meaning: grouping 12 shiny moons, however the following cycle, [using the root nocturnal=equa+noct] will contain an additional shiny moon at both edges of the cycle the one mentioned on march 18 is at the start of the "equa-noct" cycle and the end of the cycle march 7, 2023 as i will explain.

this year like most years, between natural events in the solar cycle we can count 12 shiny moons cald full, however we can predict that in the cycle 2022, the shiny moon is near the natural event of the equanoct, as i will explain, therefore the 8 day gap between lunar cycles and the solar cycles means a thirteenth shiny moon will be between these solar events. we will see the rabbis were wrong to set a calndar with an 11 day gap between solar and lunar when we can see the gap is around 8 days not more than ten.

if we would use the solar event of "equinox" when the son crosses the equator on date 21 then the additional SILVER moon is in 2022, march 18 at both edges of the march cycle.

however if we use the event of "equal nocturnal time" equanoct then the date differs as i will demonstrate. 

which city shall we measure? we must use a northern city where the fluctuation of the cycle is noticeable as i will explain.

first we choose a city. althoe moscow is 56n meaning 56 degrees of sphere, ergo north of ot' canda, but s. of junau 58n which is nearer the 2/3  location.

why north? the reason can be demonstrated by comparing the cycle in quito ecuador 13n near the middle between axes of spin, almost all year length of nyt is nearly 12 hours all year. however in north in juneau alaska [60 degrees of sphere] the cycle of short nyts to longer nyts and again short, is more noticeable.

long nights 17 hours cycles to to short five hour nyts, and lengthens again. there,  when is the balance? march 2020 in north? was march 17. 

count shiny moons between this natural event and the same event the following cycle. the shiny moon in mr 26  is first during the cycle for total shiny, twelve shinys until the following event.

mr 26>21

however the following cycle from march 17 2022 will have 13 shiny we can count from 

march 18,

before 21 both ends mr 2022

 and predict due to the 8 day gap then we check: march 10, 2023? yes march 7 has a shiny moon so instead of 12 like this year an extra one fits between the natural events and that can be cald "silver moon" when one cycle of equanocts contains an extra shiny moon more than most years. the extra one will be in 2023.

 if we pland a lunar calendar to align with nature then the total days should be 365-8 as we see this year 357<360 only 3 short months... but silly rabbis have more than three with a gap 11 days... while the gap is truly 8 days not eleven as we see between mr 26 til mar 18 the cycle is 8 days less and the rabbis were not only different from nature but separate from gd who knew the gap is  8 days same as we do.

lunar new year

 SOON the CYCLE of the moon will renew. if the cycle starts with the ADDED light from the dark moon, as in the chinese lunar calendar, then date feb. 11, the moon is DARK and the light lessens... 0.5% and four hours later 0.3% even less. the next change is hard to believe...  as the sliver of light on one side of the moon DARKENS to 0.2% and dark edge, the facing side starts light.

for 13 hours the lyt of the moon is around 0.2%, apparently six hours "the left side" and when that edj darkens to dark the facing "ryt side lyts".

after 13 hours measured around 0.2% and ADDING lyt to the facing side, an amount  "measurably more" than 2%, on date 12 so the added lyt starts the new cycle like birth and matches the chinese new year on date 12 this week. 

we see the calculation of china matches the natural event on date 12, however the rabbis have a false lunar actually a day AFTER THE NATURAL EVENT, they "start the lunar month" a day late... calling the date 13, "the first of the lunar month" yet this is a day AFTER THE NATURAL EVENT  not just differ from chinese as the deceitful rabbis try to distract.... after the start of the cycle and depending on the location on the spinning planet even more than 24 hours late... so rabbis are not connected to God who knew the true calculation in contrast to chinese who accurately calculated. 

if you try to SEE with your eyes, clouds might interfere, but we have satelites above clouds and we can compute the light of the moon in RELIABLE apps such as dso which experts in star study recommend.

althoe the chinese match their goal, better than rabbis, the goal itself is flawed. the start of the birth light like a baby born and growing is not only difficult to see due to its smallness but is at the time when we our planet is "beyond both" sun and moon as in this diagram "earth--moon----sun" so the lit side of the moon faces the sun and is hard to see. for the purpose of starting a cycle better to choose the shiny moon which is easier to see when full due to the position moon--earth----sun, not near sun when sunlyt GLARES glares our eyes searching for a thin sliver that is a bad goal, instead consider the easy to see and more pretty shiny bright moon as a goal and for new year instead of this week, better the date we  call february 27 as the first day of the lunar year linking the lunar cycle to the natural event when the lengths of nyt and day are the same length... on date 27 of february in the business calendar the lyt continues to add lyt, f27 adding lyt, then when full starting the cycle "from shiny until the climax" again shiny again but which cycle? the moon has 12 or 13 each solar cycle? the one near but preceding the natural equinox of spring as above however the chinese is a full month meaning many weeks before spring. insted better near spring meaning the natural event of equanox as above.  after march 21 is too late the start of spring already passed so insted f27 as above.

topic: was abraham the first jew? w

 topic: was abraham the first jew?

chapters:   chapter one the claim

chapter 2 analysis

chapter 3 when did abraham live?  3 calculations

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 chapter one the claim

adults and children  who do not know about ancient egyptian circumcision are easily fooled that abraham was the first jew.

the simple evidence is "abrahams children ismael and esau were not in the jewish nation therefore their father was not either" however i will discuss both sides.

they might be influenced by the christian gospel matthew that links jesus to abraham as "evidence" that abrahamm was jewish therefore he was mentioned as ancestor of jesus yet matthew never said abraham was jewish.

it is "common knowledge" that abraham was the first jew with NO BASIS and most people heard the claim when they were children TOO young to know that a claim NEEDS  a basis from a qualified source. sadly i have yet to meet adults that know that... i did not until i read a book about solving arguments. if they said abraham was a muslim...

when i heard the claim that "abraham was jewish" i challenged the claim "what makes you think that?" i felt certain i would win the debate due to the name of the jews "israelites" and in hebrew "sons of isreal." for me that proved the nation of jews started with the sons of israel not including "papa israel"  whose brother was not included nor  ancestors.

the other guy proved with logic a=b "jews circumcise and abraham was the first circumcise therefore abraham was the first jew". does that fool you?

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  chapter 2 analysis

is the premise true? was abraham the FIRST to circumcise?

if you ONLY know the bible then abraham was "the first in the bible" to circumcise at age one hundred... if people hear "ancient egyptians did it" they will claim egyptians stole it from the jews... guilty of stealing.  but only prejudiced by the preconceived notion that abraham was the first jew if they woud chek egyptian history they woud know and can know the correct order as i will explain. but who bothers to check?

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i recall a similar claim reading the "first war" was the first war in the bible... yet even the bible never said that it was first and no wars before. it was the "first war involving abraham". i did not know when i read that lie that the unification of upper and lower egypt was by battles 3000 bc ergo long before abraham and even before writing... so i trusted the rabbi book, whose author showed he believed it was first war.

similarly the claim about abraham, they are essentially claiming abraham was first based on ignorance.

***they only know the bible and are ignorant of other sources.

ancient egyptians circumcise and jews circumcise logicly  a=b therefore egyptians are jews??

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they have responded "that is not proof if egyptians copied" and learned from the jews later... humans have baselessly claimed abraham was first, hoping we cant prove who copied from whom...

but we DO KNOW.

archeological evidence from pyramids in 2300 bc shows that some egyptians circumcised adult men in that era of 2300 bc... and later mummies some were cut and some were natural.

to claim abraham was jewish they will insist abraham circumcised FIRST... yet acording to jewish tradition published in jewish sources such as soncino and others abram was hundreds of years AFTER 2300 bc.

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  chapter 3 when did abraham live?

3a, according to rabbi dates 3760-2050=1710 BC abrahams ceremony was SIX hundred years after the egyptians "were circumcising". and abraham did not copy them when abraham was age twenty, but much later, AFTER he returned from a trip to egypt...  hmm....

religious people are compelled to believe abraham was not a fictional character... so we check their numbers. if they dared to say that they doubt it their companions would call them mean names "devil and heretic" and the threat of physical hits too... still if abraham  was fictional then no jew ACTUALLY circumcised until much later claiming they want to be like abraham in the story.

3b, 

the claim in the jewish publisher "soncino" that abraham lived 1900 bc is not the traditional jewish view. as above the tradition is 1700 BC, still even their number is long after 2300 bc when the sixth dynasty was already circumcising. source "sixth dynasty in 2300 bc" from pyramids then.

3c, 

another computation: we know that "king mesa defeated israel in 843 BC" from archealogical stone, the story matching the defeat recorded in book kings that i will quote. according to bible that was 120 years after solomon in the reign of jehosapat as i will explain book 2 kings 3:27... revealing elisha was not only a false prophet but worse about a good prophecy, that means the book duteronomy DOES say to test a prophet and punish false prophest so testing is possible. 

if the prophet said "bad will happen" that is not a test but if the prophet said "good will happen" then that IS a test so here elisha said "success in battle hit all the cities" yet his message was not from god who knew... at the moment of the prophecy the future that mesa woud win and so in contrast to jonah, elisha was not only a false prophet separate from god but also the book kings is separate from god as evident here and other errors that god knew but the writers of kings and chronicles were spearate from god. 

continuing this idea a similar test of moses shows he too was separate from god and now that we know he was a false prophet we know moses "only claimed god to sway the primitive audience" in other words  he knew if he lied they woud believe him kuz they cant check if god said, and primitive people did not even KNOW as you dear reader certainly know "claims need a basis to reach a conclusion"... same as young kids who hear the bible before they understand that idea.  kids believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy and that the first man was made from dirt of the earth.... these ideas are informed "we tricked you" except god, which also lingers after learning critical thinking due to entering the young minds. most of the scientists who believe in god HEARD bout god as children and the idea remains from BEFORE they learned critical thinking.

  3c continuing the calculation:

back to the calculation. which king was then? jehosapat.

 we add the years til solomon 120+843=963 bc. we copy the exagerated number in book kings 480+960=1440 as the date of exodus that jews do not believe interpreting kings as exageration the authors were allowed to exagerate "not a lie unless exagerate by seven times too much". rabbis teach and taut that exodus was 1300 bc not 1440.  soncino  the jewish publisher claims exodus  AFTER rabbis 1230 bc.

other jewish sources "josephus and rashi" specify that israel was in egypt 200 yyears and again interpret that "authors believed they were permitted to exagerate" so not a lie to double... unles they would write 1400 years in egyot that would be a lie... and they could still claim the singular "land" includes plural lands kuz religious bias ignores singular and plural on many issues... the word "of god is not precise".

soncino claims enterd egypt 1630 so 1310 of rabbis minus 1630=320 years in egypt which is wrong as above jewish tradition specified TWO hundred years... but we will copy the book anyway... despite exageration...

960+480+430=1870 entered egypt according to bible. 

1870+130+60=2060 was isac birth when abraham a hundred same as circumcision age  so still 300 hundred years after egyptians...

and the nubers in the bible was exagerated due to the authors belief that they were permitted to exagerate... as preserved in book mishna and rabbi teachers in our generation.the jewish publisher soncino claims abraham was 1900 bc ignoring the biblical ages: jacob and isac 130+60 as exageration with a gap 160 years.

not only is a denier "of the long lives of adam and seth" not a sin in jewish faith those are peripheree not fundemental ideas... but more importantly the rabbis dare to teach that "the correct interpretation" is that they lived shorter "the author believed he was permitted to exagerate."

rabbis taut in a lecture, that i attended that the "long lives before noa" were "truly shorter" not just no "religious sin if reject" but interreting exageration. as above the author is only guilty of lying if he exagerate sby seven so if adam died at age 930/7=132 years is "the correct interpretation to believe and teach, and despite truly 132 not a lie to write 930. this is hinted by the punishment "will be 120" indicating before te flood a bit more than 120. and was it true? after the flood the same book said 400

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similarly the generations after the flood. the lives in genesis chapter 11 of 450 years not only "possibly 120" when the author exagerated by four, since less than 7 is permitted  but the "correct interpretation is that they DID exagerate by 7" after childing age 35 [in hebrew but in septuagint preserving the "original bible" as josephus used 135 also divided by 7=19]  he lived 403/7=57 years more totalling less than 120 as god decreed, that is the "correct number" not 120 nor more for "correct interpretation" same as methusale not only teaching "only 13 principles" therefore "not a sin despite ought/should accept 900"  but specifying  we should teach the "correct interpretation is exagerated by 7" as above. met' 969/7=138 before decree 120 years and after the decree 120 those generations arpaksad and sela and eber all less than 120 was FULFILLED  while the author believed as above he was permitted to exagerate. s

this differs from jospeus specifying they truly lived 900 preserving the primitive faith of jews and specifying "the short lives now do not prove that before the flood was also short lives." but rabbis both in our generation my teachers and in the book mishna specify that the numbers ARE exagerations for example the number 480 in book kings is exagerated the "correct" number is 1310-960=350 years but the "author believed he was allowed to exagerate" even from seventy to 480, yet the "correct number" is 350.

the number of years in egypt 430 "in egypt" according to rabbis was specified as exageration, this time  not divided by seven, this time but the "correct number 210" as preserved in rashi on talmud aboda zara 9a, or in jospus 205 but "the author believed that he was allowd to double due to exagerating until seven times" as above. 

in contrast christians published 400 so i used their number to calculate abraham and even that number, still  abraham lived hundreds of years after 2300 bc when egyptians circumcised. what about the biblical evidence? the year of the family of amram indicates the time in egypt was less than 400 years in exodus 6. the christian ansewer as usual can be "that is part of the story every detail is true and more" meaning the father of amram was not listed and kehat was an "ancestor not literal father" of amram same as they say about other geneologies that every word is true and that is PART of the story that other details complete.

back to abraham, the toic of this dddiscussion: 

 and abraham at age 100 and AFTER RETURNING from egypt circumcised he thout god wanted him to... a disguise for copying the egyptians where some were circumcised and others such as ahmose.... his name sounds like moses was natural intact and his mummy not circumcised so the evidence "abraham was a jew due to circumcision" is revealed as a trick only believed by people who do not know that egyptians circumcised in 2300 bc.   BC

topic: star trek dates

topic: star trek dates

stardate 3974.8 [from first showing].

intro: stardates in "next generation" differ from star dates in the kirk era as the story itself indicates. this article investigates the diffferent interpretations of star date and defines a system for the fan era which precedes the START point of the stardate system used during the kirk era.

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  one what star date can we use now?

now that i know today now [common year 2021] is pre-stardate, i count from the fan era when fans coud see the first episode aired, in the common year 1966. today is stardate "3974.8" [not bc counting down]. each number represents a group of five 5 days, for each half day to increase the decimal: for example 24 hours of time ago was 3974.6 and now simply counting a day of time 3974.8 and a day later will start 3975.0 meaning 3975*5 days, from the first st  show, and the following day will be counted 3975.2. this count simply counts groups of five days and is due to the fact that it precedes the start time used by kirk and the federation in the year 2265, as a fan calculated and published see below for source. no need for months which vary in length as explained below.

the translator is from the bad system we received with various months that we are compelled to use for business agreements, to simple days february 5, 2021=3974.8 as above. five days later for example noon at the federation base by the golden gate bridge on the west coast will be 3975.8 as explained.

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  two the meaning of stardate in the kirk era

when we see a stardate and hear the numbers in star trek world, from which time did the federation count? for example the earliest stardate in the original kirk story of 1966 is 1312.4 as kirk said, in the episode which i watched yesterday, which inspired me to research the system, in episode 1,3. that was before the thanksgiving story of charlie that they had already shown. this event about mitchell zapping kirk, seems to be 200 days before thanksgiving, as explained below,  so the same earth year. that was when the events of the magnetism killing several crew and accelerating the mind evolution of mitchel occurred. the name of that episode is bad "where no" considering they went to a place where a man HAD already gone before, outside our galaxy milky way. so i also add to the title the number 1,3. the danger of mitchell happend after they showed the thanksgiving story that ocurd after it. in contrast to these episodes, the time order of the videos were shown in order, same as stardates as detailed in the appendix so that is simple and we can save that for the appendix. however when was the starting time? from when did they count 1312?

for example: in the video stmp they provide the stardate 7410.2 they are certainly not counting 7000 years due to the start of the series in the time that they numbered 1312 as mentioned. WE count numbers by years in the common calendar but IF we copy that idea to stardate numbers, it woud seem kirk lived 5700 years so we can be certain they are not counting years but what are they counting? and from which time? the series only gave hints and as above the count used by kirk and the federation at his time started after 2260 of common earth years so anything before that has a different system as i will demonstrate.

after i saw the episode with 1312 i chekd the episode in series discovery that said a similar star date 1207, that seems a time near the episode 1312? 

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nope. the episode with 1312 started its count from a later point. since that discovery mission in 1207 happend in common year 2256, as she bothered to specify  we know that was before the start time of the stardate system that kirk used... in other words the writers/federation then  were free to use any number before the start of the system that the federation used in kirk era. we know the events were around ten years apart despite the numbers being near, so "not the apparent 105 days" before but thousands of days before the mitchel story, which seems to be 200 days before thanksgiving.

in order: the event in discovery 1207, after they saved the dry planet by using a blaster to zap open ground water for the parched planet,  later began the stardate count from 0 as explained below and later s1312 of the federation that is the new count used by kirk and the federation in the kirk era.

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 3 some examples

the episode "man trap", when kirk captaind enterprise and said s1513, was shown first on common date september 8, 1966. we can count days in groups of five, ergo today's stardate as above 3974.8 ps meaning pre-stardate but not counting down, due to the gap of hundreds years,  instead continuing "counting on" from  the day of first showing. the second showing, the story of charlie,  s1533, seems 20 days later, than s1513 AND since they connected that story to thanksgiving we kow that 1533 connects to thanksgiving but we dont know which year. it seems based on the writers theory, that i bring later, that 20 days after "mt" was thanksgiving therefore mt was 20 days before thanksgiving but was it november 2265 or november 2266? fans claimd both. so i investigate.

the theory of the writers was to "simplify the count for travelers" simply to start on the date they left earth and count time using "days" from noon to noon [at the base by the golden gate bridge west coast] the number adds one. this matches the fact that space travelers lack the cycle of "short nights then long nights" for counting years. so do not count months with varius lengths as the common calendar nor years since that cycle is not felt by travelers only days.

if we accept this theory then the time between the events in the videos, mp 7410 until wk 8130 is 720 meaning as the writers announced 720 days totalling less that two earth years simply counting time until days  without months nor years just simple days of time, but see the flaws below.

similarly in episodes. the first episodes in the series had stardates 1511, 1533, 1312 so we know according to that theory 20 days between 1511 until 1533 while the story seen later ocurd first seemingly 200 days earlier... however the story itself indicates different than the theory of the writer since the story specifies a five year mission with more than 5*365 days as stardates. we already saw 5700! between 1312 until mp s7000. 

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  four, the investigation

a fan calculated based on sarek age that the thanksgiving must be 2265. challenging the claim of other fans. the story itself indicates that year so i only bring the suported claim. the fact that the five year mission, expected to be 5*365 yet has more stardates indicates  not days due to more than 2000, indicates that the number does not count days.

this fan calculated that each day of the earths spin was around 7.2 units of stardate time as the story itself indicates and i checkd his calculation at site trekguide, and that is not only acccurate but preferable to the other fans.

if so the story of charlie was thanksgiving 2265 based on the age of sarek. furthermore the gap of 20 before thanksgiving is less than THREE days not the same day but much nearer then i thout based on the announced theory. 20/7.2<3. since thanksgiving in the star trek world was the fourth thursday [not last, as both fans agreed despite the other dispute] we would call that november 23, 2265  based on sarek's age in the same series. ergo s1513 was 2 earth spins days before thanksgiving, and therefore the start of the events in the series in 1312 which also preceded the later video of young kirk in s2258 when they steal the scroll to tempt the people away from the hazard of a volcano, by 2258-1312 units, the start time must be 1312 units before 1312 [the mitchel zapping kirk] and 1533 units before thanksgiving with charlie. 

therefore the start date of the stardate count that the federation used in the kirk era must be 1533/7.2 per day, not 1500 days as i thout based on the writers theory but instead based on the story "only 213 days" between, so the same year as thanksgiving 2265. that was the start point. therefore the story of discovery and the water aid in 2250's was before the start of the system that the federation used in the kirk era. we can count back bc but better to count "on" from the fan era starting with the first show aired in 1966 because "the start of the era of st fans called trekkies, started with the fans seeing the first show." instead of counting days as the theory of the writers, better to group five days so that "decimals 2 per day" and each is half a day. the cnclusion coincidently matches the pattern of four digits... which is easy to swallow considering the four digits in the original series and its videos as above 1312 and in appendix... until next generation.

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   5 the system in next generation

when i compute those huge numbers using the theory of days, that is near the fan date and indicates the start point of "next generation" stardates was around ten years after the start point of 2265 and indeed each number represents a day, same as the theory but not the shorter span in the kirk era when each number was 3 hours 20 minutes and the "shift" of work was probably 2.4 units. however, the system used in nxgn differs from the system used "originally" in the kirk era as the story indicates... and before the start point in 2265 we could "count back negative like bc" but better to count from the fan era as above and not days as we see the need for fifty thousand days in nxgn, instead groups of five which match the decimal system easily, while still allowing easy division by four. in contrast  to a group of five days, as apt to use in the fan era, a unit was 3 hours twenty minutes in the kirk era as the story itself indicates. therefore the many units were less than five years "matching the contents of the story without any alteration" in several details and matches the age of sarek and other details as the fan bothered to asemble based on the story itself.

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    appendix

Most of the movies DID have stardates mentioned in them ergo those are easy to put into the right order:

despite showing us motion TMP=7410.2, first, still we now know that the story of YOUNGER kirk must be earlier and they provided the star date in "st 2009" with  stardate "2258" which is after the first episodes of the series.

the next video khan TWOK=8130.3, search spok TSFS=8210.3, voyage home TVH=8390, 

final fr. TFF=8454.1; undiscovered TUC=9521.6, 

however nxgn has a different starting point by a ten year gap. still relative to each other the order is known:

genr picard 48632.4, first contact FC=50893.5, NEMesis=56844.9.