some Monotheisms Loathed women but one did not
a Critic was planning to make monotheism seem evil, so in part of the claim he used an element, to make his accusation seem plausible. i will tell several STORIES but briefly the direction will be: the truth is that that element is false, so the accusation is not even plausible. we will see by analysis that in the end the accusation, that had been intended to sway women away from christianity, is not only false, because women were included in leadership both in action and in christian scripture, not only theory which was taught but also even in action too, but also the claim is not even plausible because the so called "patriarchal father" was spirit not male. indeed even after this idea was published by vidal and even by popular dawkins, it only served the "already gang" to stay agnostic, but failed to sway women away from christianity. they were ALREADY well aware that their church leader was male and did not care.
"my priest is male, i do not care
why do you think, i'm not aware?"
where should i begin? the most famous monotheism: which is islam that started 1300 years ago as preserved by the muslim year count now 1300, that is their number and before that this quran faith had not yet existed see endnote.
however despite it seems to be very populous, still far less because the count was not using accurate parameters, see endnote, [that that is a simple error in defining terms] truly the world has very few real muslims, and i demonstrated this in a previous blog here. so the reason to "start with it due to populous" is simply not true instead we should use: time order from the most recent near our time, due to relevancy and from then earlier.
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the newest most recent faith that is famous and that i know about is BAHAI
i will tell the STORY about my experience with bahai
I flew as a tourist from New york's J.F.K. airport to israel. i saw various places in Jerusalem [the capital city of israel now and in ancient history] and stayed in a couple hotels in tel aviv, to see stuff and the beach. there, i even visited some jewish churches, i mean by jews who follow christ. later i toured saffed and even toured haifa where i saw the beautiful flower gardens called bahai. that is where i bothered to have a brief dialog with a bahai that turned into an ugly debate which he handled VERY well.
when i was entering the bahai garden the bahai representative explained that this was a place holy to them so no smoking cigerets nor chewing gum. i asked for a paper to describe the tourist location, and he gave me a "prospect". it described the garden and their faith with very clever and attractive marketing. as i wandered around the beautiful gardens enjoying the various plants and patterns and colorful flowers i planned my question and the possible debate.
by the time i returned to the entrance for exiting i had decided on my question and strategy to get information, but the best laid plans of men and mice...
i asked the bahai "do you believe in the bahai faith"
"yes"
"i was reading about your faith and i wondered if you have a pope leader?"
"no, we have a council and they are here in haifa."
"how many men and lady in the council?" so he answered "a hundred men".
uh oh. "i read in your pamphlet you have a big emphasis on Equality, so why are women forbidden from the leadership council" the guy manuevered very well, "no law ever forbade women to be in the council. in fact women can "equally vote" for whoever they want to be in the council"
clever but "who decided the nominees for people to vote".
"everyone, equaly women write a list of names and then a commitee organizes the names and the ones with the most nominations are the 100 in the council of 100."
so i asked, "if so, as you said people suggest nominees, and that no law forbade women, then people could nominate a lady? so why only men in the council?"
his words, "no real bahai would suggest a lady for the council" end quote his words!!
wow, so much for equality! a lady is equal to nominate others as an equal vote but a lady is too low for anyone to nominate for the council.
i nodded and proceeded to ask about the prophet of bahai: just brief mention because the topic is loathing women and preventing lady leadership.
"i read that a prophet came and said to change from islam"
"yes, until now islam was the correct faith to obey, but in 1800's god sent a messenger to follow new writings and faith."
"If so what if a prophet will come and claim to exchange the bahai faith for a newer one"
"that is the plan every thousand years"
i pressed the debate perhaps rudely, "so if in your lifetime, later, someone will claim to be the next following prophet would you accept him?"
"certainly not! now is only two hundred years from baha-ula that would be a false prophet i told you a thousand years." his tone was getting excited a decent person would lay off.. but i was going back home so i had to squeeze...
i felt i had him pinned like a chess game!
"are you saying less than a thousand years is a false prophet?"
"what do you mean? that is what i said?"
"after jesus, muhamed was SIX hundred years, so he must be a false prophet"
the bahai whispered a prayer "oh lord forgive the blasphemy of the ignorant".
he handled it very well but by his own rules, muhamed was as false a prophet as anyone after bahaula. we can contrast: if not a long wait then NOW and that past day i claim switch from bahai to a new faith, that differs from bahai and stop being bahai... do not need a thousand years but if do, if less than a thousand years is false prophet then if jesus was a prophet, as they say, then muhamed was less than a thousand and equaly a false prophet. despite his calm reply he had no "escape" so he prayed. after his prayer i waited to give a chance to add. then i said have a nice day. he politely waved at the heretic and i walked away.
if an evil religion is evil for loathing women then BAHAI who will not even nominate a lady for the council is evil.
the earlier faith was islam.
ISLAM
islam despite seeming populous, i refer to the number 1.2 billion 1.2*10^9 that is ONLY by the error in PARAMETERS due to western standards called self determination. if we ask someone which faith are you? when they say muslim, then based on western standards "if you say you are muslim then each person has authority to determine themselves" however...
true islam is not "only a faith" in idea, that muhamed is a prophet but laws such as "fasting ramadan month and covering hair and covering one eye" as ibn abbas taught from the first generation of islam. since the idea of the term muslim is submission then anyone of those millions who does not "submit" to the rules of covering all face only showing one eye is not truly a "submitt" not a real muslim, not merely doing a sin but not "submissive" to islamic laws. therefore i claim very few muslims are in the world far less than 1.2 billion maybe bangledash and pakistan have a couple millions who submit only showing one eye. iran and shia [not sheva, but shia] is niqab as i explained in a previous blog.
the clothing obligation that woman must submit to others who decide what they wear and cannot CHOOSE for themselves what to wear, in general nor choose one eye covered or both using burqa as a choice, is loathing women and
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NEVER ever is a "sheik" leader allowed to be lady nor can she serve as imam nor kadi etc. any lady was denied the opportunity to be leader so vidal could say "islam is evil because like catholics it loathed women" by preventing leadership and also forcing them to dress as others demanded without personal choice nor decision as above, and denying them the opportunity to participate in leadership as if lower. this would be true, but still other monotheism specified that lady was included in LEADERSHIP in the new testemant.
the famous faith earlier than islam was christianity.
CHRISTIAN
the famous faith was following christ. it was called christianity and yes the word christian IS in the original document not a later term. teh word "bible" is in the original document it is the FIRST greek word of the new testament that CAUSED the book to be named bible due to its first word.
note: some ridicule saying the words christian and bible are not even in the bible... would you believe them without checking? both are in there and bible is the FIRST greek word in new testament.
Now, christian is the most populous religion. one major group with over a billion catholics 1.3b, who believe the core of christian faith: christ died and was revived from dead, and adding the unholy system of unmarried priests and cardinals and popes... truly jesus never taught such a system.
a second group over half billion christians who reject the pope system called protestant but agree to the core that jesus died for sins and was revived from dead, still i know of two earlier monotheisms.
in time order the next one to analyze is christain we see in the picture quote that in practice in action and in scripture a lady was included in leadership without criticism. this monotheism of new testament did not loathe women, even if catholics do loathe women by preventing participation in leadership which is a sin according to their own book. i do not mean a sin according to a different faith but a sin according to their OWN book that contains the book romans.
the later monotheism after moses monotheism was christ. jesus specified worship the "father only" and told the devil "worship the father only" and when you pray pray to the father, so yes monotheism and yes father so maybe that was patriarchal? nope... jesus specified god is SPIRIT the idea of father was only the commonly known role of the father to discipline, "as a father educated his son" so a spirit is not male so again the accusation is not even plausible despite the term father was truly used because "he" is spirit.
however since christianity is more populoous than the other monotheism such as sun disk faith, extinct zero followers and moses religious laws with barely one million followers, who bother to take vacation from work on the biblical festivals, and do not do gardening on saturday sabbath, we will bother to check the CONTENTS if it loathed women?
the book preserved in book romans chapter 16 that a SISTER was a deacon leader in a church so not only was lady included in the leadership, histooricly, but she was mentioned with respect in the holy scripture without loathing nor preventing her leadership nor commanding her removal !! gasp! from position.
christianity specified that it did not loath women included women in leadership in contrast to "evil catholics" who debase and demean women by denying them equal opportunity to join leadership, same as evil islam and evil orthodox rabbinate that i condomn. however the montheism of the new testament allowed women into leadership and one of them was famous sister as a respected leader called deacon like bishop so the accusation against christianity is: not only not plausible, because the father was spirit but even in action women were included in the leadership not discriminated from positions of respect so the accusation of loathing is not only baseless, sourceless but also demonstrably false except for catholic. bad catholic that rejected the biblical truth in their OWN book that allowed women leaders.
evil catholic baselessly loathe women by preventing a lady priest or cardinal that is evil loathing of woman so vidal accusation IS true for catholic pope system but he wrongly stretched it to monotheism when he should have specified "catholic loathed women preventing them from leadership for almost 2000 years by the male pope system" which would not apply to pure christanity that lacked the unholy cardinal and pope system but included women in leadership as above and in which god is spirit not male.
JEW
the previous monotheism was jew and it is famous because the more popular christianity preserved its name.
yet before that, i mean preceding the monotheism of moses, around 1300 b.c. was the less famous montheism of aknatan. around 1400b.c. aknatan said only worship one god the disk of the sun. only a lone god the sun that was exhibited as a disk.
later, egyptians "regressed" from that limiting. they renewed the older faith of many gods, whose names were made famous by the great series star gate, hathor the goddess and... here is not the place for this list anyway. but moses having heard about one god in egypt, struggled with the topic. in the end he wrote that we will not regress and instead wrote "no other beside him" refering to jehova. admittedly abraham and jacob and even moses all used PLURAL verbs for god, "they led and they appeared" and later as listed in talmud, because abraham was truly NOT monotheistic nor jacob nor even moses at first, but at the end of the "forty years" they renewed aknatan monotheism around yahweh who is the solo lone god just not the sun disk. i would prefer changing his name from yahweh to a descriptive title solo... but disney star wars has copyrighted "solo."
last but forgotten: the oldest known monotheism.
SUN DISK
egyption king aknatan worshipped and ordered to worship a disk of sun that was not male so the claim quoted by dawkins with its silly words: "monotheisms are LITERALLY patriarchal god, a father therefore loathed women" vidal is not even plausible because god was not a male but spirit in monotheism. in his defense he did not list aknatan and did write "2000" so he was not accusing aknatan
for DAWKINS and equaly vidal to say ANYTHING about christianity besides a "quote" [which he only brings for other faiths but his criticisms of christianity are almost all, page after page for dozens of pages, almost all mocking a straw man, without any christian quote], is as SILLY and worthless as asking a catholic priest to REPRESENT why rabbis think rabbis are right.
instead of believing this claim, which is as if not even spoken, due to misrepresenting the "literal father", and no real accusation exists, instead, the opposite the new testament book preserved that women were in leadership not prevented. so the claim of loathe about christian is false.
only catholic reject their own book and loathe women but not the true christianity that would follow its book.
the grouping of jew christian and islam is absurd because they all say god is spirit, so not male, so the accusatiion is not even plausible.
only the godees faiths i mean zeus and chronus were male marrying goddesses like sheva a male god who had a goddess wife, but the sun disk is a disk! the claim about montheisms is not even plausible... to doubt maybe the accusation is true.
the following monotheism of moses admittedly used MALE verbs "he said, and he called" but also FEMALE pronoun to teach not really male.
that language where everything including items such as a window was male or female, the grammatical system needed to be chosen.
for this "door" thing called yahweh they used male except once to show not really male. this is taught by the female pronoun "you in female" in the jew hebrew bible. furthermore, despite male verbs, still even the male pronoun had the added letter that is usualy called the female addition "h for lady" so god is not male so the claim "literally patriarchal god therefore loathe women" is not even plausible. simply, god is a thing, a creature, i do not mean created, a being, a spirit not a male and as above the pronoun was female in book numbers. and in christianity god is a spirit while in islam god is "not body but perhaps a mysoginist."
we see by analysis that in the end the accusation meant to sway women away from christianity is not only false, because women were included in leadership both in action and in scripture but the claim is not even plausible because the so called "patriarchal father" was spirit not male. indeed even after his idea was published by vidal and even popular dawkins, it only served the "already gang" but failed to chase women away from christianity.
so for each goal we see: fail fail and fail, also false except for two as above.
ENDNOTES:
islam obligated women to cover hair but the list of commandments in moses monotheism even among hundreds of command never even one to submit women to covering hair. even the hint, that a lady did cover her hair was traditionaly interpreted that her hair was showing and meant something else, so women were not even commanded to submit by covering hair... until talmud around five centuries after jesus. not before that in mishna nor earlier books.
both islam and jew admittedly have very few people in those two "religions"
because each generation the pagans masssacred many jews as described in book judges and later catholic inquisition spread and massacred many jews and even now when over ten million jews live around the world, those montheists do not submit to their OWN traditional laws ergo they are only ethnic jews by family not by religion
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