topic: star trek dates

topic: star trek dates

stardate 3974.8 [from first showing].

intro: stardates in "next generation" differ from star dates in the kirk era as the story itself indicates. this article investigates the diffferent interpretations of star date and defines a system for the fan era which precedes the START point of the stardate system used during the kirk era.

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  one what star date can we use now?

now that i know today now [common year 2021] is pre-stardate, i count from the fan era when fans coud see the first episode aired, in the common year 1966. today is stardate "3974.8" [not bc counting down]. each number represents a group of five 5 days, for each half day to increase the decimal: for example 24 hours of time ago was 3974.6 and now simply counting a day of time 3974.8 and a day later will start 3975.0 meaning 3975*5 days, from the first st  show, and the following day will be counted 3975.2. this count simply counts groups of five days and is due to the fact that it precedes the start time used by kirk and the federation in the year 2265, as a fan calculated and published see below for source. no need for months which vary in length as explained below.

the translator is from the bad system we received with various months that we are compelled to use for business agreements, to simple days february 5, 2021=3974.8 as above. five days later for example noon at the federation base by the golden gate bridge on the west coast will be 3975.8 as explained.

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  two the meaning of stardate in the kirk era

when we see a stardate and hear the numbers in star trek world, from which time did the federation count? for example the earliest stardate in the original kirk story of 1966 is 1312.4 as kirk said, in the episode which i watched yesterday, which inspired me to research the system, in episode 1,3. that was before the thanksgiving story of charlie that they had already shown. this event about mitchell zapping kirk, seems to be 200 days before thanksgiving, as explained below,  so the same earth year. that was when the events of the magnetism killing several crew and accelerating the mind evolution of mitchel occurred. the name of that episode is bad "where no" considering they went to a place where a man HAD already gone before, outside our galaxy milky way. so i also add to the title the number 1,3. the danger of mitchell happend after they showed the thanksgiving story that ocurd after it. in contrast to these episodes, the time order of the videos were shown in order, same as stardates as detailed in the appendix so that is simple and we can save that for the appendix. however when was the starting time? from when did they count 1312?

for example: in the video stmp they provide the stardate 7410.2 they are certainly not counting 7000 years due to the start of the series in the time that they numbered 1312 as mentioned. WE count numbers by years in the common calendar but IF we copy that idea to stardate numbers, it woud seem kirk lived 5700 years so we can be certain they are not counting years but what are they counting? and from which time? the series only gave hints and as above the count used by kirk and the federation at his time started after 2260 of common earth years so anything before that has a different system as i will demonstrate.

after i saw the episode with 1312 i chekd the episode in series discovery that said a similar star date 1207, that seems a time near the episode 1312? 

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nope. the episode with 1312 started its count from a later point. since that discovery mission in 1207 happend in common year 2256, as she bothered to specify  we know that was before the start time of the stardate system that kirk used... in other words the writers/federation then  were free to use any number before the start of the system that the federation used in kirk era. we know the events were around ten years apart despite the numbers being near, so "not the apparent 105 days" before but thousands of days before the mitchel story, which seems to be 200 days before thanksgiving.

in order: the event in discovery 1207, after they saved the dry planet by using a blaster to zap open ground water for the parched planet,  later began the stardate count from 0 as explained below and later s1312 of the federation that is the new count used by kirk and the federation in the kirk era.

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 3 some examples

the episode "man trap", when kirk captaind enterprise and said s1513, was shown first on common date september 8, 1966. we can count days in groups of five, ergo today's stardate as above 3974.8 ps meaning pre-stardate but not counting down, due to the gap of hundreds years,  instead continuing "counting on" from  the day of first showing. the second showing, the story of charlie,  s1533, seems 20 days later, than s1513 AND since they connected that story to thanksgiving we kow that 1533 connects to thanksgiving but we dont know which year. it seems based on the writers theory, that i bring later, that 20 days after "mt" was thanksgiving therefore mt was 20 days before thanksgiving but was it november 2265 or november 2266? fans claimd both. so i investigate.

the theory of the writers was to "simplify the count for travelers" simply to start on the date they left earth and count time using "days" from noon to noon [at the base by the golden gate bridge west coast] the number adds one. this matches the fact that space travelers lack the cycle of "short nights then long nights" for counting years. so do not count months with varius lengths as the common calendar nor years since that cycle is not felt by travelers only days.

if we accept this theory then the time between the events in the videos, mp 7410 until wk 8130 is 720 meaning as the writers announced 720 days totalling less that two earth years simply counting time until days  without months nor years just simple days of time, but see the flaws below.

similarly in episodes. the first episodes in the series had stardates 1511, 1533, 1312 so we know according to that theory 20 days between 1511 until 1533 while the story seen later ocurd first seemingly 200 days earlier... however the story itself indicates different than the theory of the writer since the story specifies a five year mission with more than 5*365 days as stardates. we already saw 5700! between 1312 until mp s7000. 

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  four, the investigation

a fan calculated based on sarek age that the thanksgiving must be 2265. challenging the claim of other fans. the story itself indicates that year so i only bring the suported claim. the fact that the five year mission, expected to be 5*365 yet has more stardates indicates  not days due to more than 2000, indicates that the number does not count days.

this fan calculated that each day of the earths spin was around 7.2 units of stardate time as the story itself indicates and i checkd his calculation at site trekguide, and that is not only acccurate but preferable to the other fans.

if so the story of charlie was thanksgiving 2265 based on the age of sarek. furthermore the gap of 20 before thanksgiving is less than THREE days not the same day but much nearer then i thout based on the announced theory. 20/7.2<3. since thanksgiving in the star trek world was the fourth thursday [not last, as both fans agreed despite the other dispute] we would call that november 23, 2265  based on sarek's age in the same series. ergo s1513 was 2 earth spins days before thanksgiving, and therefore the start of the events in the series in 1312 which also preceded the later video of young kirk in s2258 when they steal the scroll to tempt the people away from the hazard of a volcano, by 2258-1312 units, the start time must be 1312 units before 1312 [the mitchel zapping kirk] and 1533 units before thanksgiving with charlie. 

therefore the start date of the stardate count that the federation used in the kirk era must be 1533/7.2 per day, not 1500 days as i thout based on the writers theory but instead based on the story "only 213 days" between, so the same year as thanksgiving 2265. that was the start point. therefore the story of discovery and the water aid in 2250's was before the start of the system that the federation used in the kirk era. we can count back bc but better to count "on" from the fan era starting with the first show aired in 1966 because "the start of the era of st fans called trekkies, started with the fans seeing the first show." instead of counting days as the theory of the writers, better to group five days so that "decimals 2 per day" and each is half a day. the cnclusion coincidently matches the pattern of four digits... which is easy to swallow considering the four digits in the original series and its videos as above 1312 and in appendix... until next generation.

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   5 the system in next generation

when i compute those huge numbers using the theory of days, that is near the fan date and indicates the start point of "next generation" stardates was around ten years after the start point of 2265 and indeed each number represents a day, same as the theory but not the shorter span in the kirk era when each number was 3 hours 20 minutes and the "shift" of work was probably 2.4 units. however, the system used in nxgn differs from the system used "originally" in the kirk era as the story indicates... and before the start point in 2265 we could "count back negative like bc" but better to count from the fan era as above and not days as we see the need for fifty thousand days in nxgn, instead groups of five which match the decimal system easily, while still allowing easy division by four. in contrast  to a group of five days, as apt to use in the fan era, a unit was 3 hours twenty minutes in the kirk era as the story itself indicates. therefore the many units were less than five years "matching the contents of the story without any alteration" in several details and matches the age of sarek and other details as the fan bothered to asemble based on the story itself.

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    appendix

Most of the movies DID have stardates mentioned in them ergo those are easy to put into the right order:

despite showing us motion TMP=7410.2, first, still we now know that the story of YOUNGER kirk must be earlier and they provided the star date in "st 2009" with  stardate "2258" which is after the first episodes of the series.

the next video khan TWOK=8130.3, search spok TSFS=8210.3, voyage home TVH=8390, 

final fr. TFF=8454.1; undiscovered TUC=9521.6, 

however nxgn has a different starting point by a ten year gap. still relative to each other the order is known:

genr picard 48632.4, first contact FC=50893.5, NEMesis=56844.9.